Yeah!!! A 1969 Camaro SS is a mucle car, but people feel that just cause a car can go from 0-60 in 5 seconds makes them a muscle car. I can understand new cars that go form 0-80 in only 2.87 seconds being a muscle car, but people just have their own opinions. Until people change their opinions they will continue to call them muscle cars. I'm with you though, the old cars are the REAL muscle cars.